Intelligence suggests agents of India behind killing of B.C. Sikh leader: Trudeau

[u/Gboard2]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9968980/bc-sikh-leader-murder-india-intelligence/

[u/ihatethesidebar]

A foreign intelligence agency killing a Canadian citizen in Canada, wow that's bold

[u/yofutofu → u/ihatethesidebar]

It's not the first time.

[u/mtbredditor → u/yofutofu]

Was that a citizen? I scanned the article but couldn’t see it mentioned.

[u/Bizzaro_Murphy → u/mtbredditor]

Yes - from the cbc article.

[u/IntellectualHT → u/Bizzaro_Murphy]

Why are there so many downvotes in this thread and in the comment section? The posts appear to be quite informative.

Usually you only see types of high downvoted ratios on posts about Israel committing some atrocity

Edit: Based on some of your replies I went down to some of the Indian subs to see how they were reacting to this news, and good God! The "best" comments basically said this was bad PR for India (not that it was wrong or that their leadership did something bad). And the worst comments basically celebrating this as some kind of victory, and that it shows how powerful India is over Canada. Wow.

I think I've had enough reddit for today.

[u/kalirion → u/IntellectualHT]

There are 1.4 billion Indians in the world.

[u/cogitoergosam → u/kalirion]

And a lot of them love to brigade from a few subreddits…

[u/APoopingBook → u/cogitoergosam]

Nationalism is on the rise.

Tell your fellow countrymen that you alone are superior, that you have a deep history of amazing triumphs, that the rest of the world are enemies waiting to hurt you because they are jealous of what you have...

You don't even need clickfarms or government agencies... your basic dude off the street will happily spend hours a day doing this exact kind of thing for free.

[u/TrustyRambone → u/APoopingBook]

Pay a man a ruble, and he will troll for a day.

Teach a man nationalism, and he will troll for free.

[u/Timely_Summer_8908 → u/APoopingBook]

It's so dumb. It's a surefire way for all kinds of evils and hate crimes. Peace will be impossible with a mentality like that.

[u/pbasch → u/Timely_Summer_8908]

Peace is not in everyone's interest, apparently. Where's the glory in it? The excitement? The manliness?

[u/Nerevarine91 → u/APoopingBook]

Nationalism isn’t quite as fast as blunt force head trauma, but just as bad for the brain

[u/Bammer1386 → u/APoopingBook]

Indian Hindu nationalism is hilariously laughable. I had an Indian guy at the peak of covid tell me that India is protected from covid because they don't shake hands, and instead do the "namaste." The fact that India has zero covid cases while the rest of the world was ramping up was his proof. He then went on about how thousands of years ago, India developed and used nuclear weapons and cars and how Indians were superior.

India finally admitted to the COVID outbreak about a week later as their authoritarian government was being China and Russia levels of "Nothing to see here, business as usual."

I wanted so bad to ask him if the benefits of shitting in a river while bathing an arranged marriage with his niece is the source of this uber-man attainment, but that would have violated my professionalism standard as this was a business meeting, so all I could do was fein that he wasn't an unprofessional idiot.

[u/LMFN → u/Bammer1386]

It's also amazing that you would have an Indian coworker be that stupidly defensive of his country while being far far away from it.

Like bro if it's that amazing why did you leave?

[u/WingsuitBears → u/Bammer1386]

I had an Indian man (who had moved to Canada btw) tell me that India had the most powerful military in the world.

I didn't want to argue because I could see from the beginning of the conversation no facts would change his mind.

It was unnerving to see the amount of brainwashed nationalism that was flowing through him and anger when I clearly wasn't convinced by his boasting.

[u/throwaway554200 → u/Bammer1386]

There were numerous instances of flights from New Delhi coming to Toronto which apparently had 0 cases of Covid upon departing India (since the Cdn. government required a clean test to come into the country at the time) - but once they landed in Canada, rapid tests quickly showed a good number of the travellers had the virus.

[u/andylowenthal → u/kalirion]

And paid bots, literally, in India. Why are we pretending this isn’t an extremely large and lucrative industry? Because said bots are telling you otherwise..? Oh yeah…

[u/Remote_Cantaloupe → u/kalirion]

Just a reminder that population is soft power.

[u/nau_lonnais → u/kalirion]

That’s who’s down voting here.

[u/[deleted] → u/IntellectualHT]

Indian nationals.

[u/texasipguru → u/[deleted]]

They can't bear the idea that India is suboptimal in any way.

[u/VivaGanesh → u/texasipguru]

This is what pisses me off. We all sit around complaining about India but never do anything. However when some one from the outside gives some valid criticism suddenly here comes the modi brigade

[u/Deadwing2022 → u/VivaGanesh]

Ultra-nationalism is a recurring theme with rightwing authoritarian governments. AN army of willing unpaid online brown-shirts, with a substantial subset who will happily engage in violence for political ends.

[u/mynamejulian → u/[deleted]]

Reddit is incredibly manipulated by troll farms supporting the global fascist movement and aligned with BRICS

[u/TheBirminghamBear → u/IntellectualHT]

India is really into the state-sponsored clickfarm game.

[u/get_lost_from_here → u/TheBirminghamBear]

They are not even state sponsored. Just free people with cheap internet.

[u/College_Prestige → u/IntellectualHT]

There are a lot of Indians and a lot of them support Modi.

[u/ChrisDornerFanCorner → u/College_Prestige]

I had a comment about Modi removed by reddit. I wasn't informed or anything.

[u/JesusFNChrist69 → u/IntellectualHT]

There are way too many Hindu nationalist fascists on r/worldnews and they sound just MAGA nuts but for Modi and hating Muslims not Latinos and brown people.

It’s really easy to run afoul of them.

[u/OnidaKYGel → u/JesusFNChrist69]

There are way too many Hindu nationalist fascists in general.

As a minority living here, we always knew there were too many, thankfully now the general populace seems to have learnt of it as well.

[u/PanzerKomadant → u/IntellectualHT]

Because Indian nationalists can’t stand the idea of their great nation being sullied by such wild and outrageous speculation.

To them India can do no wrong and if it is then it’s justified.

[u/Dinosaurs-are-extant → u/IntellectualHT]

Indians (and probably their government) will mob any negative posts about them

I got a PM once from some dude (or group, they kept saying “we”) when I talked shit about nationalists in India, and other countries being trash people.

Fucking trying to interrogate me and find out if I was some psyop from the west trying to make India look bad

Crazy motherfuckers

[u/JoeCartersLeap → u/mtbredditor]

Shouldn't really matter if they're a citizen if it's on Canadian soil.

[u/waiting4singularity → u/JoeCartersLeap]

its atrocious either way, but legaly its on an entirely different level when killing a citizen vs killing a non-citizen.

[u/absawd_4om → u/mtbredditor]

I feel, foreign governments shouldn't be allowed to kill people in another country, citizenship notwithstanding.

[u/godfollowing → u/ihatethesidebar]

Happens very often across the world.

[u/MulciberTenebras → u/godfollowing]

The key part is not getting caught doing it.

[u/Fyrefawx → u/MulciberTenebras]

Yup. That’s the embarrassing part for India. I’m sure this happens a lot. Only countries like N.Korea, Russia, and the Saudis are sloppy enough to get caught.

[u/WitELeoparD → u/Fyrefawx]

Then there's Israel that'll abduct or murder people in broad daylight in other countries, like the time they abducted the guy who blew the whistle on their Weapons of Mass Destruction program (Nuclear Bombs) by luring him to Italy, injecting him with a Paralytic drug, dumping him on a speedboat and driving him to INS Noga that was pretending to be a merchant ship just off the coast.

Weirder still, it's thought that Mossad learned about the imminent leak from Robert Maxwell, owner of the Mirror Tabloid, a rumoured Mossad Agent who himself died mysteriously. He is also the father of Ghislaine Maxwell. Yes that one.

[u/mrfer → u/WitELeoparD]

That was a lot of wild information. Wow. The Ghislaine Maxwell connection. Damn.

[u/WitELeoparD → u/mrfer]

Just for an extra weird coincidence, the super yacht Robert Maxwell disappeared from, The Lady Ghislaine, was originally owned by the murdered journalist, Jamal Khashoggi's cousin.

Anyway, Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel. He also worked for the KGB and MI6. Possibly being a triple agent, while being the 'billionaire' owner of a massive British newspaper. It also came out he had stolen millions from his company's pension fund.

Extra bizarrely, he had links to Gorbachev over his legal battle for the ownership of Tetris with Nintendo and ELORG.

[u/Moistfruitcake → u/WitELeoparD]

Imagine being a triple agent, I can barely keep track of work-based lies as it is.

[u/ttak82 → u/WitELeoparD]

Jamal Khashoggi's cousin.

I believe Adnan was his Uncle.

The band Queen also has written a song about that ship.

[u/InsignificantZilch → u/Fyrefawx]

Unfortunately, getting caught never seems to have consequences for them, so…🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/yeo179 → u/Fyrefawx]

And India

[u/Alex8634 → u/yeo179]

And France

[u/MrWorldwide94 → u/Alex8634]

And Israel

[u/Deaftrav → u/MrWorldwide94]

Israel doesn't care...

[u/Asatas → u/MrWorldwide94]

And the US. Don't even care about getting caught.

[u/jokeren → u/Fyrefawx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

[u/Tomagatchi → u/jokeren]

Lillehammer_affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

[u/RoscoePSoultrain → u/Tomagatchi]

Wow, I knew about the plan to eliminate everyone involved in Munich, but didn't know they fucked up this bad.

[u/Tomagatchi → u/RoscoePSoultrain]

Fairly embarrassing. You should've seen the look on their faces when they found out what happened. But seriously I can't imagine that poor man's family having to go through that because of random happenstance and literal spies not being able to recognize a face. They look kinda similar but really this is like the premise to Patriot (great show btw) where the backstory is he kills a male maid.

[u/banmeyoucoward → u/Fyrefawx]

When the US does it in broad daylight using a rocket covered in swords, does that count as getting caught?

[u/steeldragon88 → u/banmeyoucoward]

Ah yes, Raytheon’s RX-9 knife missile, the only real sponsor of Behind the Bastards

[u/Excuse → u/steeldragon88]

You're missing Blue Apron and their island adventure.

[u/Viktor_Laszlo → u/Excuse]

And what about the fine makers of gas station boner pills? Are they just chopped liver?

[u/littlechefdoughnuts → u/godfollowing]

Generally not on the territory of friendly states.

[u/Fancy_Control_4442 → u/littlechefdoughnuts]

I doubt India and Canada are friendly states, certainly not now.

[u/PaladinSara → u/Fancy_Control_4442]

Who gets in a fight with Canada??

[u/Fantastic_Doubt2989 → u/PaladinSara]

I mean the Phillipines threatened to send warships over some trash being dumped there a while ago

[u/StinksofElderberries → u/Fantastic_Doubt2989]

As a Canadian they were rightfully angry and our shit government has since stopped pretending we were recycling much of anything.

[u/DocMoochal → u/ihatethesidebar]

India has been quite the thorn in our side as of late...

Edit: I appreciate everyone's responses, and I'm going to reply with a base response. I don't care. A Canadian was killed on Canadian soil by a foreign agent from the Indian state. In my opinion, Canada should go beyond expelling diplomats for brazen acts of violence like this. Modi should suffer in some way for acts that violate our sovereignty. You can't just walk into Canada and off anyone you want because you had disagreements in your old country. Who's next? If he continues to meddle in our nations affairs, we should begin eroding his regime ultimately and hopefully collapsing it.

If you come to Canada, you are not Indian, you leave all of your petty squabbles and your caste system in India. If you want to continue your freedom war, do it in India, not Canada. You have 5 major parties to support in Canada. You have charter rights in Canada, and you live next to the first nations of Canada. You live under the King in Canada, welcome back to the Commonwealth. Learn about Canadian history, learn at least English and even French if you want, get a job and live your Canadian life. It's one thing to discuss and have an interest in international affairs and issues, it's a completely other issue when the bullshit starts becoming a national problem.

I'm getting sick and fucking tired of people bringing their old countries problems onto our shores.

[u/Waffle_bastard → u/DocMoochal]

I couldn’t agree more, and this line of thinking should apply to all prosperous nations. Leave your bullshit at the door if you want in.

[u/[deleted] → u/Waffle_bastard]

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[u/Uncontrollable_Farts → u/DocMoochal]

petty squabbles and your caste system

It is actually a pretty serious problem in the tech sector now as well.

[u/mawkus → u/Uncontrollable_Farts]

I ran into these issues for the first time in '08 when doing a training for Indian contractors in IT/Telco. Some assignments were done in pairs and some folks wouldn't work with each other. I was in my latish twenties and didn't immediately understand what was going on, but it was due to caste issues. Was quite baffling at the time.

[u/krustykrab2193 → u/DocMoochal]

Many in the west don't realize the consequences if you're a minority that protests against Modi's government. Those in India who show dissent against Modi are often targeted, arrested, violently/sexually abused, their assets are stripped, and they're labeled "terrorists" under the current far right Hindu Nationalist government.

Modi's Hindu Nationalist government has been silencing tens of thousands of dissenters by calling them terrorists, and abusing laws in India that were seldom used during previous administrations. For example, the recent Sikh preacher who was murdered outside a temple in Canada earlier this year was labeled a terrorist by the Indian government, accused of throwing grenades at the Indian embassy in Ottawa, which is a ridiculous and untrue claim. They labeled him a terrorist because he was canvassing votes for an independent state. And now the Prime Minister of Canada has confirmed that the Sikh man was assassinated by the Indian government.

The Guardian - How a terrorism law in India is being used to silence Modi’s critics: The BJP government is exploiting a terrorism prevention law to intimidate dissenters from lawyers, journalists, priests, poets to Kashmiri civilians

I don't even support the khalistani movement, but the narratives I read on reddit are full of so much misinformation because India, like other countries, employs people to spread propaganda online on social media sites like Reddit. People believe the propaganda because they don't fully grasp the situation or they're nationalists, and spread it too.

BBC - Farm laws: Sikhs being targeted by fake social media profiles

CBC - Huge pro-India fake news network includes Canadian sites, links to Canadian think tanks

The Wire - The Intricate Design of Propaganda and Narrative Manipulation in India

The current Prime Minister of India is Modi, who is a Hindu Nationalist. The party he belongs to is the BJP, the political offshoot of the RSS which is a Hindu fundamentalist extremist group that perpetuates violence across the state of India. The RSS is the equivalent of white supremacists in America, except they're Hindu extremists instead of Christian extremists. Before becoming Prime Minisiter of India, Modi was the Governor of a state that led pogroms against Muslims, leading to the massacre of a religious minority in the state of Gujarat. Experts warn that communal violence will continue to accelerate under Modi's far right government as we continue to see the rise of violence against religious minorities in India.

BBC - Narendra Modi 'allowed' Gujarat 2002 anti-Muslim riots

TIME Magazine - Is India Headed for an Anti-Muslim Genocide?

In recent months India has banned the publication and viewings of a documentary by the BBC that highlights the complicity of Modi's government when Hindu mobs massacred Muslims because of a dispute over a train carriage was set alight that killed Hindu pilgrims. Hindu mobs blamed Muslims, kicking off violence in the state of Gujarat. The subsequent bloody riots were horrible as Hindu mobs indiscriminately murdered Muslims, Modi's government was blamed for directing the police to stand aside during the riots. This went to the Supreme Court of India and Modi was found innocent due to a lack of evidence, but this new documentary paints a different picture. The UK Foreign Secretary at the time stated that Modi was involved in the ethnic cleansing.

The Guardian - What is the BBC Modi documentary and why is it so controversial?

Another recent example is the communal violence in Manipur being ignored and supported by the Hindu nationalists backed by the far right government. See the brutal communal violence, murders, and rapes in Manipur as the most recent example of growing ethnic tensions in the region.

Vox - How Manipur violence is challenging India’s politics: Modi and the BJP face a no-confidence motion due to brutal conflict.

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Also I see I'm already being mass downvoted by the Hindu Nationalist brigade so they can hide this information...

[u/Dragonsandman → u/krustykrab2193]

accused of throwing grenades at the Indian embassy in Ottawa

Speaking as an Ottawa resident, if this had actually happened, the whole city would have been on lockdown and it would have been national news. I wanna say that such a brazen lie is astonishing, but the last decade or so has taught me otherwise

[u/Nova_Explorer → u/Dragonsandman]

Yeah, as a fellow Ottawa resident we would absolutely know if an embassy got attacked with explosives

[u/gettit8998 → u/Nova_Explorer]

Couldn't hear it because of the honking 🤷

[u/I_have_questions_ppl → u/gettit8998]

Damn geese.

[u/Fiddleys → u/Dragonsandman]

I feel like if that happened the new would also get a mention or 10 in the US news.

[u/letsgoraps → u/krustykrab2193]

the narratives I read on reddit are full of so much misinformation because India, like other countries, employs people to spread propaganda online on social media sites like Reddit.

Honestly, this explains a lot. After the G20 summit, where talks between India and Canada didn't go well, Canada related subs were filled with comments of how Trudeau had screwed up the relationship between Canada and India, and how dumb Trudeau was, and sometimes even rooting on the Indian government. All while no one could explain what Trudeau had done wrong, or why things went so bad between the 2 countries.

Now we know why there was tension between the Canadian and Indian government. The Canadian government had brought up their concerns, and the Indian government didn't like it.

[u/LMFN → u/letsgoraps]

I mean real talk I'm not Trudeau's biggest supporter but if he pissed off Modi he did something right.

You shouldn't have the wannabe dictators happy with you. Biden continuing to infuriate Putin is a good sign too.

[u/broguequery → u/LMFN]

Or if you're Trump, you can shake hands and crack jokes with murderous dictators and invite them to the White House for cheeseburgers.

Now everything is fixed!

[u/Throwayay306 → u/letsgoraps]

The PM's plane had mechanical issues and they were grounded for awhile. I wonder if that's connected... seems pretty sus considered the summit was in India.

[u/skiptobunkerscene → u/letsgoraps]

Man, you must be one of the last not aware of the Hindutva brigade. Why do you think that, as of late, threads that go against what is usually the mainstream opinion still get upvoted and filled with positive comments if its about India?

[u/Icaonn → u/krustykrab2193]

Saving your comment in case it gets deleted. This is horrifying, and not at all surprising. The values the people of the country uphold (or even pretend to uphold or think they uphold) both good and bad, are oftentimes reflected in their politicians, and I mean that for everyone :/ power corrupts and all

[u/Grabbsy2 → u/Icaonn]

Saving it wont help you if it gets deleted. Youll need to copy and paste it into a word document and grab the links yourself, if you really want to save it. Just FYI.

If it gets deleted, your "saved comments" section on reddit wont even show it exists.

[u/Peechez → u/Grabbsy2]

Just open the comment source and copy and paste that instead

[u/harkules999 → u/krustykrab2193]

Probably the best post about this I've seen and you will get downvoted forsure.

[u/BigMac849 → u/harkules999]

Post literally anything negative about India or Serbia and you'll have the hordes of nationalists chiming in. I was stalked by a Serb for like three weeks because of something I said about the Balkan wars.

[u/SmoothObservator → u/BigMac849]

The serbs are still salty about the royal ass whooping they received from NATO.

[u/Nerevarine91 → u/BigMac849]

My profile was stalked by an Argentinian who made some really horrifically racist comments about my wife because they said the British first arrived in the Falklands in the 1980s and I said I was pretty sure they’d been living there prior to that point

[u/Overripe_banana_22 → u/krustykrab2193]

Well said. Half my family is Sikh and don't support the Khalistan movement but with this guy in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if more people wanted to GTFO.

[u/chamanao_man → u/Overripe_banana_22]

Half my family is Sikh and don't support the Khalistan movement but with this guy in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if more people wanted to GTFO.

Reality check: Indians are ready to GTFO no matter who is PM.

[u/hectah → u/krustykrab2193]

Damn, Civilization wasn't that far off on how aggressive India is.

[u/Aggie_15 → u/DocMoochal]

Most of us left India to escape this shit in the first place. What’s next, we can’t eat beef here too?

India and its ruling party has a flawed understanding of freedom. I hope these actions have consequences.

[u/Adept-Emphasis4104 → u/ihatethesidebar]

India and China have effectively shown they don’t care about canadas sovereignty.

And it’s mostly because Canada hasn’t shown any real backlash against them for doing shit like this.

[u/RevolutionaryPoem326 → u/Adept-Emphasis4104]

Maybe as Canadians we should form a department that focuses exclusively on stirring the nationalists in both countries into fighting each other.

[u/dawglaw09 → u/RevolutionaryPoem326]

'That's our job' - CIA

[u/_vOv_ → u/dawglaw09]

CIA

Canadian Intelligence Agency

[u/ScoMoTrudeauApricot → u/ihatethesidebar]

India got away with undermining Western sanctions on Russia. No wonder they think they can get away with shooting Western citizens in a Western country

[u/Educator-Apart → u/ScoMoTrudeauApricot]

The real question is if they can get away with it. India is selling oil to Europe at a lower cost than before sanctions. It’s Russian oil. But the Europeans don’t really care.

[u/Lonnbeimnech → u/Educator-Apart]

So India doesn’t resell russian oil to Europe. It instead buys it, refines it locally into fuels, such as diesel, petrol, etc., and then sells those to Europe.

This sounds like splitting hairs but it isn’t. The sanctions don’t require India to cease purchasing Russian oil, they prohibit Russia from being paid more than $60 a barrel and that is all India pays them. The fact that India then gets to profit by refining the oil and selling those refined products at full price to Europe is a benefit to India but not to Russia.

The simple fact is that prohibiting any oil products from Russia would effectively destroy much of the European economy which would turn widespread public support away from Ukraine. Excluding Russia, there’s around 550 million people in Europe, spread across a couple of dozen countries, each of which have to be kept on side in supporting Ukraine. It’s a simple fact that it’s easier to keep that support when they’re not experiencing job losses, product scarcity, and rolling blackouts.

It’s also worth noting that Ukraine’s counteroffensive is being driven, literally, by Indian fuels of Russian origin donated by the European countries.

[u/Commie-commuter → u/Educator-Apart]

Money and self welfare usually triumphs over other things.

[u/Flamedandburning → u/ScoMoTrudeauApricot]

India got away with laundering oil for the west to buy. You act morally superior while commuting the same crimes.

[u/AndyB1976]

This should ease tensions between the two countries.

[u/Infamous-Mixture-605 → u/AndyB1976]

Relations between India and Canada have ebbed and flowed quite a bit since the former's independence. Typically it's 10-15 years of good relations, then something comes up (India's nuclear ambitions, nuclear testing, wars with Pakistan, etc) that sets relations back again, then another decade of improving relations before the next hurdle.

[u/Commie-commuter → u/Infamous-Mixture-605]

Why was Canada triggered over India's nuclear tests? It's not like India gained the ability to nuke Canada ( a NATO country).

[u/Infamous-Mixture-605 → u/Commie-commuter]

IIRC, way back in the day there were claims India produced the fissionable material for its first weapons from Canadian tech gained from a cooperative agreement on nuclear technology, and the Canadian government at the time saw it as a violation of their nuclear cooperation agreement or something.

[u/verdasuno → u/Infamous-Mixture-605]

Not “or something” …that was exactly the agreement India signed with Canada when it bought the nuclear reactors from Canada. India’s about face was a violation of the wording and spirit of the contract.

[u/Sumeru88 → u/verdasuno]

The agreement said the technology could be used only for peaceful purposes. The Pokhran-1 aka Smiling Buddha was officially designated as a “Peaceful bomb explosion” to get comply with this requirement.

[u/Infamous-Mixture-605 → u/Sumeru88]

The Pokhran-1 aka Smiling Buddha was officially designated as a “Peaceful bomb explosion” to get comply with this requirement.

That's actually kinda funny.

[u/tempest51 → u/Infamous-Mixture-605]

Makes sense, set off enough nukes and there would be lasting peace.

[u/MC_chrome → u/tempest51]

Civ 6 moment

[u/Hydra5120 → u/Infamous-Mixture-605]

Calling it the Smiling Buddha is comedy

[u/russian-botski → u/Commie-commuter]

Canada sold them the reactor under the condition that it wouldn't be used for plutonium production

[u/Wouldwoodchuck]

Wow. For them to be saying out load at this stage must be compelling evidence… crazy

[u/FitLitLift → u/Wouldwoodchuck]

India has been treating Trudeau and Canada poorly for years. Their government thinks we give aid and comfort to Sikh separatists. This news is still pretty shocking - India conducting targeted assassinations of Canadians is fucking disgraceful.

[u/Fyrefawx → u/FitLitLift]

I mean the Modi government are also hardcore right wingers. It’s not exactly shocking that they aren’t fans of Trudeau. He has defended Sikhs and Muslims frequently.

[u/TKK2019 → u/Fyrefawx]

Modi himself was on the terrorist watchlist of the USA during the Bush administration and was banned from USA travel

[u/idontgive2fucks → u/TKK2019]

Banned for "severe violations against religious freedom"Crazy how people just forget about this. People this old don't change...

[u/WitELeoparD → u/idontgive2fucks]

He is thought to have been complicit in a fucking pogrom. Modi is an unequivocal fascist.

[u/Nerevarine91 → u/WitELeoparD]

“Thought to have been” is an extremely diplomatic way to phrase it, tbh

[u/OlafSkalld → u/Fyrefawx]

A lot of people aren't aware that he's part of a political party that has a Hindu nationalist ideology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party

Honestly, it sucks to see tensions rising between Hindus and Sikhs again. I know a lot of Sikhs who aren't into the Khalistan movement, but Modi's provocations clearly caused that movement to resurge in a big way. My hope is that Sikhs respond in a civil way because we have their back at the moment.

[u/BreakfastOriginal377 → u/Fyrefawx]

Sadly he and the BJP are likely to win re-election. However, if this blows up maybe that could change.

[u/Aarcn → u/BreakfastOriginal377]

Their followers don’t care, they think this makes India powerful

[u/verdasuno → u/FitLitLift]

Not just disgraceful, it is illegal and worthy of retaliation. Would the UK or France or the USA allow this to happen on their soils without consequences? It has to be more than expelling a diplomat.

[u/ItzDrSeuss → u/verdasuno]

Like military? Or economic? Canada is really not in a strong position for either unless they can get the US and EU to join in. That’s probably why they haven’t done anything else yet and released this statement, rile up the rest of the West so they can get more support to retaliate.

[u/Hobomanchild → u/ItzDrSeuss]

No. Send in... the geese.

[u/hissnspit → u/verdasuno]

UK did allow this to happen. Remember Litvivenko?

[u/Shaper_pmp → u/hissnspit]

Our limp-dick response to that was disgraceful. It only emboldened Putin, and likely directly helped him to feel confident enough to later try to assassinate the Skripals and accidentally kill a British citizen by incautiously disposing of the novichok used in the assassination attempt.

[u/Infamous-Mixture-605 → u/verdasuno]

Would the UK or France or the USA allow this to happen on their soils without consequences?

What were the consequences when Russia poisoned the Skripals? Britain expelled some Russian spies/diplomats, declined to send some delegates to the 2018 World Cup, anything else?

They certainly didn't stop oligarchs from continuing to launder their money in London.

Expelling some diplomats seems like a good start, the ambassador will probably be summoned and given a talking to, but I doubt they'll cut diplomatic ties. Britain did not cut ties with Russia when the Russians used chemical weapons on British soil for an assassination.

[u/EruantienAduialdraug → u/verdasuno]

It's fine so long as you were there to look at a cathedral...

[u/Commercial-Set3527]

Wow so that's why there was so much tension between Justin and Modi at the G20

[u/hardy_83 → u/Commercial-Set3527]

Aren't they one of the foreign nations that meddled with elections too?

[u/2peg2city → u/hardy_83]

Rumored to be yes

[u/JackOSevens → u/Commercial-Set3527]

What's with the Justin thing? Noticed a lot of ppl doing that instead of last names like everyone else we don't personally know.

[u/aldur1 → u/JackOSevens]

His haters do it to diminish him and cast him as an unserious person. It happened as far back as the previous Prime Minister also called him by his first name in the 2015 election.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/what-s-in-a-name-harper-calls-justin-trudeau-again-1.2501330?cache=y

That rhetoric is coming back in fashion as he and his government plummets in the polls.

[u/Commercial-Set3527 → u/aldur1]

Honestly, I'm just bad at spelling and Justin was easier.

[u/untamedlazyeye → u/Commercial-Set3527]

As a dyslexic, mood

[u/PaloAltoPremium]

Might be why Canada just called off their planned trade mission to India next month on very short notice.

[u/Thanato26 → u/PaloAltoPremium]

I'd say the extra judicial assassination of one of your citizens is a justifiable reason.

[u/tryingmybest8]

Man already with the crazy levels of immigration the tensions between India and Canada. This takes it to an exponential level.

[u/TechnicalInterest566 → u/tryingmybest8]

What's Trudeau going to do? Ban the mass migration of Indians into Canada that the country is currently experiencing?

[u/florinandrei → u/TechnicalInterest566]

If I could not close the main entrance to my own house, I would be pretty worried.

[u/borazine]

Damn, that’s raw

[u/learned_cheetah → u/borazine]

For those who don't get:

R.A.W == Research & Analysis Wing.

(India's equivalent of American CIA, Israel's Mossad, UK's MI6, etc.)

[u/SuspectFlex → u/learned_cheetah]

Thank you. You’re doing Wikipedia’s work 😇

[u/BrainSeekinBrahmos → u/borazine]

I see what you did there

[u/comeonwhatdidIdo]

BBC is saying this is the 3rd incident in the last few months of targeted killings of Sikh leaders with separatist link... something major is happening in India.

"Mr Nijjar is the third prominent Sikh figure to have died unexpectedly in recent months.

In the UK, Avtar Singh Khanda, who was said to be the head of the Khalistan Liberation Force, died in Birmingham in June under what has been described as "mysterious circumstances".

Paramjit Singh Panjwar, who was designated a terrorist by India, was shot dead in May in Lahore, the capital of Pakistan's Punjab province."

[u/lilithweatherwax → u/comeonwhatdidIdo]

The UK guy died of leukemia, iirc

[u/uth8 → u/lilithweatherwax]

And was refused an autopsy multiple times...

[u/loaderchips → u/uth8]

So india can control the autopsy procedure in the uk now

[u/IntellectualHT → u/comeonwhatdidIdo]

Russia 🤝 India

Deaths under mysterious circumstances.

[u/scybes]

I wonder if the plane fiasco from last week is related to this

[u/shwekhaw → u/scybes]

What plane fiasco? Link? Just catching up.

[u/christopher_msa → u/shwekhaw]

Justin's flight was stranded in India for a couple of days due to "technical issues" after G20 Summit

[u/thegodfather0504 → u/christopher_msa]

India offered him an Air India plane but he wouldn't take it.

[u/SaintTastyTaint → u/scybes]

100%

The timing is way to suspect.

[u/Kurupt-FM-1089]

This was being called out when the killing occurred. Indian media was reporting on it before local authorities lol

[u/IDownvoteHornyBards2]

Who wrote that headline? I thought it was saying the leader's name was Trudeau and thought "Well that's a wacky coincidence."

[u/Ak_am]

Can’t wait for the Indian brigade’s spin on this.

[u/TheGreatPiata → u/Ak_am]

Every single one of these threads is flooded with I assume bots spewing how the killing was justified and Canada harbors terrorists. It's fucking wild to see this ready made narrative flooding every post about this.

[u/BigMac849 → u/TheGreatPiata]

Lol, they're not bots. A lot of Hindu nationals speak English fluently or are citizens of English speaking nations. They're hyper-defensive of any criticism of India to the point of absurdity.

[u/mirinbaus → u/BigMac849]

And then they immigrate to Canada because they hate it in India lol while praising Modi.

[u/Crazy_Ad_6865 → u/mirinbaus]

A tale as old as time. Like the Eritreans here in Europe celebrating the anniversary of the regime, while living in political refuge in a safe European state. Disgusting.

[u/jjcoola → u/Crazy_Ad_6865]

And Russians in Europe too

[u/TheMonster_56 → u/TheGreatPiata]

I’m not sure these are bots, unlike Russians the majority of this Hindu-nationalist speak English and they are devoted to Modi. They swarm any post even remotely critical of him.

What’s funny about the ready made narrative is it can be used no matter how it turns out. If Canada’s intelligence is wrong than it’s proof India didn’t do it. But if Canada is correct, then India was justified because the man was a terrorist.

[u/TalkingReckless → u/TheMonster_56]

BJP has an IT cell whose whole jobs is hiring people to post on social media

[u/WarlockEngineer → u/TalkingReckless]

Don't need a cell if you have plenty of people drinking the koolaid for free

[u/Ak_am → u/TheGreatPiata]

Its actually wild how many of these there are, they are out there claiming Canada was willingly harboring terrorists and that they had no choice but to do this. If u say anything, they bring up a laundry list of baseless claims and whataboutisms

[u/MathierCutkov → u/Ak_am]

thats all internet comments are anymore, bots and bad actors have weaponized every comments section

[u/monk_mst → u/Ak_am]

Whataboutism; is Dalai Lama a fair game for the Chinese then?

[u/SufficientPenalty644 → u/TheGreatPiata]

They probably aren’t even bots. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians have these beliefs.

A month ago I’d have thought I was crazy. But I was at a work event and ended up at an after party with 5 new Canadians that I’ve worked with for years (transfers from India office to Canada) and they all got into the “silly Khalistani movement” and started talking about Modi in a very positive light.

[u/palebluedotparasite → u/Ak_am]

Modi's incel army will be out in force.

[u/overcooked_sap → u/palebluedotparasite]

Mincels unite!

[u/Thanato26 → u/Ak_am]

They are already spinning it

[u/West-Fold-Fell3000]

If this is true Canada really needs to be pushing back harder. This sort of thing is not okay

[u/Emotional-Rhubarb-32 → u/West-Fold-Fell3000]

Where was Gondor when the westfold fell?!

[u/Carrelio → u/Emotional-Rhubarb-32]

Their forces were holding the pass of Anduin the Great... but also Rohan never called for aid; Theoden was still under Wormtongue's sway as the Dunlanders raided the Westfold, and even after the malaise is dispelled by Gandalf he literally tells Aragorn to shove it when he tells him to call Gondor for aid.

[u/UBC-02]

A UK MP from Scotland spoke in the UK parliament that Sikhs are being targeted in Canada and UK https://x.com/martinjdocherty/status/1670728313122193409?s=46&t=xSYLnqsRVgAIYtAQOgKFIA

At the same time Australia police just released these documents showing possibly the “vandalism” done to Mandirs in Australia were not even done by Sikhs and conducted to frame them https://x.com/baaznewsorg/status/1703765548234863031?s=46&t=xSYLnqsRVgAIYtAQOgKFIA

I wonder if it’s the same thing happening in Canada.

A coordinated intel leak by the 5-eyes? They are not happy by indias actions.

Can’t say I’m surprised, I’ve noticed a weird growing anti Sikh post spree on social media in the past few months. Likely by foreign actors

[u/northcrunk → u/UBC-02]

There have even been Iranian activists attacked by regime thugs in Canada recently

[u/Narpity → u/northcrunk]

Erdogan came to DC a couple years ago and had a bunch of thugs beat up protesters too

[u/parttimekatze → u/UBC-02]

They already tolerate Modi because India has been losing ground to China in its periphery and needs to be propped up as a counterbalance. Modi was banned from US during his tenure as the Chief Minister of his state for conducting a pogrom against Muslims. It was only revoked when he became the Prime Minister of India. All minorities are under threat and regularly persecuted in India, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Tribals and lower caste folks. The west turns a blind eye to that because China - and India buys a fuckton of arms and has a relatively open economy.
His party's modus operandi is to stoke communal tensions, and he's got a vendetta against Sikhs/Punjabis for opposing his farm reforms last year which hurt the prime oligarch backing Modi. Sikhs also form a large proportion of Indian diaspora, especially in Canada, UK, Australia and NZ.

[u/MulciberTenebras → u/[deleted]]

And they did it on Canadian SOIL to boot, not in another country/embassy

[u/Joezev98]

Why didn't India just use a drone with a ninja missile to kill a terrorist in a foreign country, like normal countries usually do?

[u/Niv-Izzet]

If China did something like this there'd be 1000 "Fuck China" comments already

[u/billowtushy → u/Niv-Izzet]

The US and gang would have already lined up condemnations and sanctions already

[u/LittleBirdyLover → u/Niv-Izzet]

India is the US’s ally on their pivot to China so we won’t hear much noise about it here.

[u/PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ → u/LittleBirdyLover]

India is not an ally. They are a partner at best.

[u/Blizzard_admin → u/Niv-Izzet]

China is probably x10 more subtle at assassinations than Russia and India are.

[u/Tagawat → u/Blizzard_admin]

Some American governments will just air strike you with a drone (Trump-Soleimani).

[u/goatman0079 → u/Niv-Izzet]

Ngl man, I dunno what reddit you're seeing, but a majority of the comments are somewhere along the lines of fuck india....

[u/yewlarson]

Canada has every right to be incensed.

But this is just another day in the murky intelligence world of many big countries. US or UK or Israelian intelligence agencies kills quite a number of people on foreign soil every year, very terrible people justifiably.

Don't kid yourself if you think only Russia or Saudis do this stuff.

[u/Start_pls]

We should stop caring about what citizens of other nations do in their country, Khalistan movement is dead in India ,Akali Dal doesn't get any seats in Punjab elections so why do we think that these people will suddenly ignite the movement again? My roommate was a sikh and he used to tell me that most Sikhs are not khalistanis and the 5% that are just go to Canada and make lives difficult for the Sikhs back home.

[u/BluehibiscusEmpire]

Why is the Khalistan issue relevant after nearly 40 years. I don’t know why we are digging up stuff that was dead and buried for so long.

People had long moved on in india

[u/majid_amlashi]

These tensions are not good at all for relations between India and Canada. I do not understand the reason

[u/OkGuide2802 → u/majid_amlashi]

From what I can tell, there is a population of Sikh Canadians who wants to create an independent nation of Sikhs somewhere between India and Pakistan. India is angry about this group, but Canada can't really do much about it since they are a peaceful activist group, nothing that's directly harmful or criminal in Canada. To arrest them would violate a ton of rights.

[u/buxnq → u/OkGuide2802]

nation of Sikhs

theocracy of sikhs which 90% of Indian sikhs oppose

[u/ajatshatru → u/OkGuide2802]

Not between India and Pakistan only out of India. They have support from Pakistan's ISI. They're peaceful in Canada, but they have blown up planes and killed people in India.

[u/Tall-Ad-1386]

Take some action please to protect Canadians

[u/verdasuno → u/Tall-Ad-1386]

Stop saying “please”

It is the responsibility of government to protect its citizens.

If foreign agents can come into Canada and assassinate Canadians on our own soil, that is the government failing. Spectacularly.

There must be strong consequences or bullies and despots will just be emboldened to do it more. Who will be assassinated next in Canada?

To say nothing of Canadians arrested on trumped-up charges abroad and held hostage as political pawns (the list is so long, look up William Sampson and Zahra Kazemi, for starters) while the Canadian government does little or nothing to protect them.

It obviously cannot do everything to save Canadians every time, but if Canadians want their passport and citizenship to mean anything they should have a government that reacts strongly when some illegal shit like this is pulled.

[u/shithappensduh]

This guy openly announced a bounty on the heads of officials of Indian embassy in canada, and now look where he himself has got to.

[u/cheemjr]

Well, the headline is a bit generous in calling him simply a "Sikh leader", him and people like him give Sikhs a bad name in India, where most of us Sikhs live and have lived for centuries.

And before anyone calls me a Modi sympathizer, I'll clear it up and say that I am not a fan of his religious policies but appreciate the economic work being done by his government. Also I am a semi-religious Sikh living in India, outside Punjab, and my great-grandparents came over during partition, from a village near Dera Ismail Khan in present day Pakistan, leaving behind most of their economic assets and business there. They carried over only the cash and gold that they could and started over in India which at the very least provided safe refuge and an opportunity for religious acceptance.

Having an interest in history, and knowing the circumstances under which the present-day India took shape, it really pisses me off when anyone calls these terroristic-separatists "Sikh leaders" of any sort. The Indian nation and its people have dealt with thousands of these kinds of individuals over the years, not just in Punjab but also in the Assam, Nagaland, Manipur, Goa, Tamil Nadu, Kashmir and other places. A lot of blood has been spilt by people of all different ethnicities within India to hold together the Union. A fragmented India is no good, it will be like going back to the middle ages where India was invaded and plundered by many different foreign powers, in fact the Sikh Khalsa took shape due to the atrocities perpetrated by the later Mughal Muslim rulers who, like Muslims do, killed and tortured many hindus and sikhs in the region of Punjab. Similarly, the Brits came and conquered the subcontinent because of these ethnic troubles where every small king had some problem with their neighboring small king and there was no big national identity. Balkanization is the perfect recipe for implosion, a problem which our forefathers recognized, they worked hard at demolishing the princely states and integrated everything into the one nation that we have today.

A cousin of my grandfather was in the Punjab police and he told us first-hand accounts of the troubles that Pakistanis sponsored within Punjab, including the dark 1970s to 1990s where there was a constant tussle between the law and these "religious leaders" (khalistanis). There was next to no industrial development in the region and the society itself was very backwards in terms of education and was easily influenced by religious fanaticism. This obviously reached its peak during Bhindranwala's time when he basically ruled the state on the ground. His goons trekked around like they owned the place, shooting and killing any dissenters. The police was afraid of him and his goons, who had been armed to the teeth by Pakistanis. The circumstances and handling of the Blue Star operation were unfortunate but inevitable. The chaos after that still ensued for a few years but by the late 1990s, things started looking better, with industrialization and an improvement in the economy and agricultural technology. So it saddens me to see that there has been a resurgence in Khalistani activities, a cancer which seems to coming back to corrupt the youth again. Sikhs have lived in India for a long time alongside our Hindu brothers, Sikhs have served India for a long time, Sikhs are part of the original idea of India, and real Sikhs do not take Khalistani separatists as their own.